- 1 Minutes of the Open A11y Expert Handlers SIG Call 2008/04/28
- 1.1 Attendance
- 1.2 Minutes of Expert Handlers Conference Call 2008/04/28
- 1.2.1 TOPIC 1: Expert Handlers: Editing Scenarios/DOM Interaction (continued)
- 1.2.2 TOPIC 2: Developers' Expectations
- 1.2.3 TOPIC 3: Identify Agenda Items for the 5 May 2008 Handlers Call
Minutes of the Open A11y Expert Handlers SIG Call 2008/04/28
- Neil Soiffer (NS/chair)
- Pete Brunet (PB)
- Gregory J. Rosmaita, (GJR, scribe)
- Janina Sajka (JS)
- regrets: Alexander Surkov
Approval of Last Meeting's Minutes
Minutes of Expert Handlers Conference Call 2008/04/28
TOPIC 1: Expert Handlers: Editing Scenarios/DOM Interaction (continued)
scribe's note: discussion postponed
TOPIC 2: Developers' Expectations
Feedback from Alexander Surkov
Scribe's Note: Since Alexander cannot join the meetings in person, and since he has been patiently waiting for an answer to the following inquiries, it is imperative that we deal with his feedback and communicate via the list and minutes.
Alexander Surkov Issue 1
Originally I look for the way how to make accessible MathML in Firefox, I look for ideas and any experience in this field. I ran through expert handlers pages and tried to catch general idea. Unfortunately I didn't find any technical details how it should helps with MathML accessibility. So I'll try to form some questions and in some cases I'll try to give my understanding of this.
- 1) What is expert handlers?
- It is the way to link the client software (like Firefox) and server software (screen readers) in order to expose XML languages (like MathML) to server software (make it accessible).
- 2) How does it look?
- There is mediator that transforms information about XML language used on the certain web page (in the case of web browser) into some XML structure (by RDF/OWL usage). This XML structure should be exposed to AT (screen readers). Here I can see two possible approaches: AT deals with XML structure or there is another mediator that transform that XML structure to the certain AT API calls (like IA2 or ATK).
If the item above makes sense then I have following up questions:
- 1) Why do we need the mediator and why do we need to use RDF/OWL?
- Doesn't AT API allow to expose interested XML languages directly?
- 2) How should it look for accessible XML languages like HTML. Will something be changed in their handling?
Alexander Surkov Issue 2
source: post by Alexander Surkov, 23 April 2008
PB: XML dialects handled natively communicate directly with a11y API; assumed expert handler would be code that would natively fire MSAA (or similar) events and respond to MSAA (or similar) calls
NS: in releation to?
PB: native support
NS: if a11y API interface can be exposed will be used; allows traversal and supplies actual content
PB: right; will be done through ARIA
GJR: also ECMAScript, AJAX, AxsJAX -- all provide better options/interfaces/communication with ARIA or directly with a11y API
NS: could imagine situation where one uses a Greasemonkey type approach
GJR: that's what Accessmonkey is being developed to do
NS: @implements -- only on SCRIPT
GJR: currently, yes
GJR: need to determine precisely which "WML" XML Events 2 refers to:
- The Website Meta Language, or, more likely,
- Wireless Markup Language (XHTML Mobile) as developed by the Wireless Application Protocol (WAP) Forum
(scribe's note: the reference to WML in the XML Events 2 draft has been dropped by the working group responsible for the document.)
NS: what is expert handler? way to expose XML
GJR: AlexanderS coming from the position that what is needed will be included in XML dialects, we are coming from the opposite position -- that specialized markup cannot be relied upon to provide natively what is needed for read/write interaction with specialized content in context
NS: dealing with expert, not generalized markup
NS: expert handler implements Element Traversal, recursively given path to MathML and expert handler is invoked -- may not be there, if not there has to go get them;
- AxsJAX: Access Enabling AJAX
- Element Traversal (W3C Working Draft)
- XML Events 2 (Editor's Draft)
Excerpt from XML Events 2
This specification does not require an XML application that uses XML Events to use any particular method for specifying handlers. However, the examples, particularly those in the section on attaching the attributes directly to the handler, are intended to give examples of how they could be specified.
It is however recognized that two methods are likely to occur often: scripting (such as XHTML's SCRIPT element) and declarative markup using XML elements (such as WML's
onEventelement). A companion specification will provide markup to support these methods.
TOPIC 3: Identify Agenda Items for the 5 May 2008 Handlers Call
- adjourned: 1857h UTC
- Agenda for 2008/05/05 Expert Handlers Call