Minutes Apr 13 2011

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Jeff Licquia (LF), Stew Benedict (LF), Mats Wichmann (Intel), Kay Tate (Novell), Darren Davis (Novell), Robert Schweikert (Novell), Alan Clark (Novell)


  • F2F: summary, next steps.
  • Radical modularization: next steps.

Minutes: Jeff: Quick summary from the F2F. Detail notes are on the wiki. The big issues involved "future LSB" and some potentially radical changes with regards to the focus of LSB and modularization.

The more radical change is to expand the concept used in app-checker to enable the whole system (sdk, dist-checker) to target more than just "LSB"

The less radical change is to use the community distributions as guidance for where the next generation of enterprise distributions will be for the next version

Jeff: Question is, what do we do?
Robert: If there's no new info on the radical change, I don't think we need to worry about that at this time. I think we need to address over the next few calls the future of LSB, getting the external inputs
Kay: We should make sure that the vision of what we want the standard to do for us aligns with our direction
Jeff: I submitted a report to Ibrahim, with questions about the future of LSB. His response was that we need to push forward, and LF supports the effort to restructure the LSB, and he wants a concrete plan/deadlines
Jeff: We talked a bit about what the LSB provides. Vladimir believes the LSB database provides a comprehensive database of portability information. Current problem is either you're certified or you're not. I think there are other opinions
Mats: Need to answer Kay's question
Kay: Need to re-check our baseline
Darren: LSB needs broader support, more participation
Mats: I think you can make a case that the concept of binary that works everywhere has failed
Kay: Maybe we should go back to the enterprises, and the open-source people and re-gauge what they want from the standard
Darren: Enterprise distributions are dependent on it
Jeff: I'm wondering to what extent that the problem getting the word out is part of the problem
Darren: We need a user community. Novell believes LSB is important, that's why we're on these calls
Jeff: If we feel the technical direction is correct, then maybe we just need to promote better. I think it's a mixture of both.
Jeff: If we change the technical direction, and don't promote it, that may not help either
Darren: LSB people need to understand how the ISV's do business
Robert: From a technical POV, the way the LSB is setup we can meet the goal, but we need to change the ISV's paradigm, in the way they do testing/support for various distributions
Kay: We know that it is possible to get ISVs to be able to trust the next service pack level. If we could address the medium size ISVs and remove the OS from their integration picture
Darren: So we need to find out what the real pain-point for the ISVs, what problem they need solved
Jeff: Which gets back to the question of technical issues or promotion
Jeff: There are some things in the works to get more publicity, probably need more
Jeff: We did meet with ISVs a few years ago, and responded to some of the needs they expressed, but perhaps not all
Robert: We're not focused enough. Pick an industry, talk to that space, fix their problem. Don't try to fix the whole world at once.
Kay: If we were to pick an industry, like health care, then our logo would start to gain recognition.
Jeff: What industry is the best one to target, that has a problem we can solve?
Darren: Look at the IDC report, pick the industry with the biggest Linux growth.
Jeff: Perhaps we already have an industry (printer driver vendors), who we are delivering value to, that we just need to finish giving them what they need
Darren: Right, a "beachhead" strategy, pick a battle you know you can win, then move on the the next
Jeff: Does anyone want to propose a better target?
Kay: There might be other targets over time
Robert: 2 issues: they don't care about certification, as you mentioned, plus they're not really ISVs, hard to relate that success to a normal ISV
Jeff: I think we can overcome the lack of desire for certification with the driver vendors

Some other discussion about targeting desktop apps

Jeff: So coming back to the question, as a strategy, if we decide the printer drivers is not the way to go, do we just go after the largest growth industry, will they have the other issues?
Kay: Would be good to gauge the awareness in the chosen industry of certification in general
Darren: Perhaps traditional Unix vendors wanting to migrate to Linux
Darren: Perhaps target corporate developers
Jeff: Perhaps something to help cloud developers

Jeff: Want to wrap this up, and come up with concrete steps to move forward
Jeff: Find the IDC doc and review it
Jeff: Think about what it would take to satisfy the printer driver industry, whether that success could be translated to other industries
Jeff: Take a look at the other 2 markets - Unix migration/corp developers and cloud developers

End Of Call