JS: Open A11y participants: Janina Sajka, Gregory J. Rosmaita, Andrew Updegrove, Karen Copenhaven (lawyers from LF)
JS: basis of discussion - how AIA and Open A11y can work together; a lot of legalese -- agreed to exchange documents -- more to AIA IPR statement than in Community Promise; Andy & KarenC hoping to have a Linux Foundation IPR policy by end of week; willing to do exchange - will ascertain how far we can get; follow up meeting end of September
JS: laid out our summation of concerns: nothing so far about licensing for code from AIA - not clear if going to be code; if just specs, can implement mandatory parts
JS: open license concern for us when working collaboratively; specification openness; Community Promise focused on legal side, not conformance
JS: told that Community Promise only applies to Microsoft patent for UIAutomation; AIA might have some different understanding of IPR
GJR: UIAutomation for accessibility moved from Microsoft to AIA; still missing documentation
PB: besides LF attorneys, who was on?
JS: AIA representatives: Andrew Kirkpatrick from Adobe; Doug Geoffrey, of GW-Micro; Rich Schwerdtfeger, of IBM
PB: only attorneys LF attorneys?
PB: list of patents?
JS: complained that no liability if implement mandatory parts,but they have to be very clearly defined; need bright line for implementation purposes;
PB: interested in patents - implemented UIAutomation support - want to ensure not violating any patents
GJR: Pete, might be best to ask Rich Schwerdtfeger - on AIA steering committee
PB: their request, implemented, want to ensure patents straight
JS: suggested to AIA that there are concerns from several directions from our side to get IPR issues resolved; while doing that, might be useful to take small steps; Accessibility & DOM API Comparison document could be test case of collaboration
JS: popular statement on UIAutomation accessibility specifications published via AIA - copyright statement not really different from GPL GNU license or creative commons
JS: no commitment to move on that
ACTION: GJR - recontact Larry and carbon-copy AIA people - contribute to Accessibility & DOM API Comparisons under creative commons license
PB: what protected by creative commons?
JS: Microsoft statement with terms similar to creative commons
GJR: refer to:
JS: any document would be GLPL or creative commons
JS: glad to hear from AndyU that we are getting a LF IPR statement which can be cited and point to
JS: publish full statement of intent, move old D-Bus page to archive and create new D-Bus page on wiki
JS: make first ref to CodeThink and D-Bus to hyperlink
ACTION: GJR post to list when new page created
JS: wanted to vote next week on IAccessible2 so can send on to the Linux Foundation's board for approval
JS: Peter Korn asked for more time -- have you heard from him yet, PeteB?
PB: PKorn hasn't responded
JS: if 26 August 2008 too soon, 2 September 2008 will be the date on which the Workgroup votes on IAccessible2, version 1.0.2
ACTION: Janina - write email to Peter Korn to ascertain if can live with 2 September 2008 vote
PB: working on revisions; small errors
JS: any issues, contact PeteB and ia2 emailing list
PB: can also open a bug for it
JS: would like to discuss the port of standards documents from live.gnome.org to Open A11y web space
WW: ATK and AT-SPI documentation - where lives don't know
ACTION: Willie - track down maintainers of ATK and AT-SPI info at live.gnome.org to co-ordinate port to open a11y space
WW: starting to dig into accessibility for developers -- how to test for accessibility, common pitfalls, keyboard traversal, mnemonics; another section under the covers making custom widgets accessible;
WW: what is ATK, what are applications, what is contract between ATK and AT-SPI
JS: similar sorts of documentation at gnome.org - applying infrastructure in GNOME - will eventually have same thing for KDE - additional info available at...
MG: documentation might be in IDL directory of AT-SPI
WW: MGorse right - complication: Bill Haneman has personal directory with most recent stuff
WW: will coordinate a search-and-destroy mission with GJR and BH
JS: put up page of toolkits that implement AT-SPI directly or through bridge (such as XUL and Open Office)
WW: JavaAPI, JTK, Open Office and echo (rendering engine for mozilla)
WW: target big toolkit people
JS: WS-GTK picked up some of it